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Bad Game Design - Clicker Games
تم نشره في 2019/02/09
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Also me: starts Grandmapocalypse 3462
Starts clicking big cookie 1157
A seizure. 936
Skinner's experiment showed that when you put a device that, when "clicked" always gives a treat, animals will eventually get bored and stopped using it. But when you put a device that sometimes gives a treat at random (no pattern in number of clicks) and often does nothing, then animals will keep clicking again and again so much more.
The "random reward" nature of loot boxes is what make them so addictive, not just "I click something I get the same reward every time". ... 1828
Thanks mate. 461
You've ruined my life. 1122
Starts playing AdVenture Communist 1132
Me: Oh an onscreen powerup. taps powerup
Game: Watch an ad to activate powerup?
Me: What? No thanks. taps no
Game: Plays non-skippable ad anyway
My anger issues immediately got the best of me and I nearly broke my phone the first time that happened. ... 1543
Then developers started adding achievements for finishing acts or chapters in games so it wasn’t as exciting but it was like “aw cool I got an achievement”
Then/now there’s an achievement for finishing every main mission, like I’m fine with getting a achievement for finishing the game because its an achievement but when u get one every single mission it losses its value and you don’t care anymore, and I don’t. ... 20
There are good clickers and bad clickers. I wish this episode took more of a "how clickers can be used for good" or "what makes a good clicker" route instead of the "clickers are bad because they don't end and waste time" we landed on. ... 368
Time as a mechanic though, that's another thing. I mostly agree that it's not a great tool, but I'm sure someone could point out a good example of how time is used well in a game.
Also, flashing lights warning at around -. Just in case someone is photosensitive. ... 23
Me:yes
Sloth evolution:what did it cost?
Me:Everything... 7
Oh hello Warframe, didn't see you over there. 5
I guess you could say YouTube is a clicker game ... 19
Me, only about 20 achieves from having them all and therefore beating cookie clicker: "Mh. Yes.. No end." 1
The real issue with clicker games is that they aren't fun, but instead they are inherently addictive. ... 91
Video: Cookie Clicker is an amazing game. 1
Quit supporting terrible business practices
Quit complaining the market is bad when you support it
Vote with your wallet, people. 206
There's one game that does real-time stuff semi-right: Tsuki Adventure. It's mostly because it's the main mechanic and it just works. The main character is Tsuki, a rabbit who got bored of the city life and decided to live on a farm.
By default, your farm gives you 50 carrots (which are used as currency) every 2 hours. It might look like a regular "wait 50 hecking hours for anything to happen or sell a kidney to do it instantly", but waiting seems very natural in this specific case. You kind of feel like you're on that farm waiting for carrots to grow, most likely because the world isn't your standard copy-paste top-down view of a city and has actual characters and lore in it. You can also speed up the whole process by fishing, which is kind of like clicker games, but without any upgrades. It actually feels like any other video game fishing.
It does have microtransactions, but you have to be very impatient to want to buy these, since farming carrots is fairly easy after you get the golden ticket for the fiest time. There's a dog that gives you 300 carrots after watching an ad and most items are in the 100-1000 carrots price range. You still have to wait for him to appear though.
I feel like Tsuki Adventure is kind of in the gray area. ... 2
I remember a very long time ago you posted a video about a clicker game (I think it was capitalist adventure) and I wrote comment about how these are the worst type of games, and you agreed with me, I couldn't find the video now :(
anyway I just wanted to add : is that this generation is used to having something running in the back ground, wither its a game or facebook notification, we always feel the need to check for something, and this is why these games are so popular now, if we started creating them in the 90's they won't be as popular as they are today.
also this "need" to check or the constant engagement is really destroying our ability to concentrate and memorize (memorizing happens when you let your brain think about what he just learnt in the back ground) but what happens instead is when you watch a good video or read something intersting, instead of letting your brain analyze and think about what you just learnt, you switch to facebook or clicker game, cutting your chain of ideas without even noticing ... 11
Teach me your ways 34
- buy a house for Pam and Penny. This actively requires you giving a TON of ressources away, and unlike upgrading your tools/house/skills, it does not in any way contribute to your ability to produce more or be better (well, except for a friendship buff, which is also somewhat an extrinsic value, but is still grounded in intrinsic), it just provides a fulfilling story and some great dialogue and moments.
And this game has that in spades. The way it's able to weave these two values together seamlessly, where sometimes you accomplish something that BOTH gives you a unique scene with dialogue and character progression, AND a concrete boost to your abilities in the future. And that is ultimately the best combination.
Some other people have mentioned some better clicker-games, like Universal Paperclips which include more of these intrinsic values, which is something to keep an eye out on.
This is not to discount extrinsic value - efficiency-based games like Factorio can be AMAZING if done right, but in a way, this is still because games like these have enough juice and personality to keep going, and since that specific game also kinda has a story in the background, if you choose to follow it. But yeah. ... 14
"merge" games exist. 2
Pretty much 99.99999% of the mobile game market 2
Examples include Kittens, A Dark Room, Crank, Universal Paperclips, Space Lich Omega 2, and Trimps, among others (there's one I'm trying to remember which is just a demo but was really good, it was alchemy themed)
This video came off as just looking at bad incremental games, rather than engaging with the best the genre has to offer ... 8